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Dobermann · Oct 03, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

WTF is this new slavage thing?

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Something I thought about as well... How many of the -uber- wealthy players out there still play the game? I've heard so many stories of the richest of the rich simply becomming bored of GW and leaving. To me, that is the inevitable end to the Elitist. They set unbelievably high goals for themselves, then work toward them. Once reached, what else is there?

Flaunting riches just gets old after a while, I'm sure. There's only so long you can hang out in the grotto showing off all your crystallines, FoW and magma shields. After a while you gotta realize, that's it. In your eyes, you've 'beaten' Guild Wars and it's time to move onto a different game.

This is why I think the casual gamer will be the best customer base for purchasing new chapters, not the 'hardcore' gamer. I'm not going to get tired of this game if I constantly have goals to reach simply by my playstyle.

what if the elitist's goal is too high. lets say 500 billion networth or his personally wealth>all the 2 million players all add up togethor?. it will take years to archieve it. some elitist gold is kinda hard to archieve..

i am sure that they will buy more chapters to do so. anyway that is not the point. some elitist just wont quit you know

they like GW. BTW, most grotto ppl dont care about items since all we do is dancing and drinking in grotto

.. we archieved one goal then we will set another. there will be always goals that we like to archieve not to mention that we like the ppl we meet everyday in grotto

we just log on to chat with them and drink ailes

Theus · Oct 03, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

I'm not worried.

Especially since I can take advantage of this for all of the gold weapons that currently reside within my storage.

Woo.More gold for skill pruchases.

DeathByAmor · Oct 03, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

There is now a poll where you can vote on this update. This is an easy way for ANet to see how you feel about this.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10055103

sumrtym · Oct 03, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Tommy

you can get a req8 15^50 crytalline at some point for sure

.. just offer someone 20 millions,<which translate into 18 to 22 months of farming> i am sure that you can get one.
with 20 millions you can get anything you want at any skin

..

I'll take that challenge. FIND ME A 20/20 cast recharge death staff req 8-9 in ZODIAC SKIN. Or same stats domination, curses, blood, healing with divine req, etc. Or a 20/20 wand, same deal, matched, req 8-9.

natuxatu · Oct 03, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Honestly though... the fact of the matter is weapons don't have nearly as great of an effect on the game play as some people might wish. More for fun/looks/having the best. Low req meh.. chances are you are using more than 7 or 8 anyway so no biggy ect.. The only class that might not be true for is warriors which i haven't played but anything else it's more of the skills i'm using.

Abnaxus · Oct 03, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

Exactly, and for that population of the game that does have those funds, or that likes the challenge of attaining those funds or rare weapons, the introduction of salvageble inherent mods will quasi-ruin the game for many. Guild Wars is not the same for everybody, which is what many in this thread don't seem to understand.

There is a basic difference between those favourable and those unfavourable to a change in salvaging/crafting.

WE (the favourable) are not interested in what THEY (the unfavourable) have and will have. WE are not interested in putting a limitation on whatever item (weapons, FoW armors, titles) THEY can buy or obtain.

THEY instead want to put a limitation to our freedom, to OUR possibility to enjoy the game, THEY want to force US to play the game the way THEY want, that is hoarding for money to buy for insane prices the item with the skin WE like with the stats WE want.

WE don't want to force THEM to play the game in a different way, THEY want to control the market of items and for this part of the game THEY want to force US to play THEIR game.

That's unfair, that's not capitalism (a word that many invoke at defence of their interest) it's lobby, abuse of incumbent position, barrier for the newcomers, all the worst of capitalism, things that in real life are also legally prosecutable.

Just one example: I'm not interested in crystalline crap (a piece of glass with a wooden handle, how is possible to consider it a sword?) but I like the "divine staff" skin.
If you check in gwguru auction, you'll see that there are more or less 10 crystallines on sale, and only 2 divine staffs and also with unusable stats.

So if a req. 9 crystalline costs 10 millions, a req. 9 20/20 divine staff should cost 50 millions because it's 5 times more rare. What are today the possibilities for a player to get a 20/20 or 20/10 divine skin staff? Absolutely zero.

If in the future I will have the possibility to mod a white divine staff and make it usable, I see this as an increase in my freedom, without any negative effect on those who already have perfect crystallines and whatever.

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 03, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

That's unfair, that's not capitalism (a word that many invoke at defence of their interest) it's lobby, abuse of incumbent position, barrier for the newcomers, all the worst of capitalism, things that in real life are also legally prosecutable.

Unless you're the oil companies, with baby Bush in office, he allowed them to jack up prices on currently stocked gas because "it would cost them more to produce in the future"... Of course we'd have been arrested for profiteering if we went to the places afflicted by the tragic hurricanes and began pedalling ice for five dollars a bag. [/rant]

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

I'll take that challenge. FIND ME A 20/20 cast recharge death staff req 8-9 in ZODIAC SKIN. Or same stats domination, curses, blood, healing with divine req, etc. Or a 20/20 wand, same deal, matched, req 8-9.

just put a WTB thread and offer 20 million for them. sure someone will find it for you.

supaet · Oct 03, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Originally Posted by Gli

FOW armor costs 60/75K and materials. You don't have to sell a single 100k+ weapon for that, just play the game. Whether or not there are weapons in the game that players decided are worth more than 100k, doesn't change the total amount of gold in the economy. The nominal value of items doesn't affect the total number of FOW armors that the player base can afford, because there's still going to be the same amount of materials and the same amount of gold. If this change causes the wealth to be spread around differently, some people will just have get their FOW duds in a different way.

What's that I just said, 'working' to buy a FOW armor? How awful!

LOL, you can PLAY the game to get a FOW which costs 75k + 100 ectos and you cannot PLAY the game to get a 15^50 rare skin that costs 100+20 ectos? a certain area that drops ectos? sure. PLAY the certain area and get your ectos buddy. If that is so easy, people can just sell the ectos and get the gold they need for weapons. weapons are gold sink too

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 03, 2006, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Tommy

just put a WTB thread and offer 20 million for them. sure someone will find it for you.

I believe his point is that, due to the nature of the way wands and offhands spawn, it is rare for an item to spawn with it's own req attrib and a reduced time for said req attrib.

What if all the fuss is simply over the fact that we'll now be able to salvage "inheirent mods" from shields, wands, and offhands only? Then we'll see a lot of sheepish people admitting that they should have waited before being so vehement about their stance against it.

Of course I for one would like to see weapon inscriptions as well, but we'll have to wait and see.

leprekan · Oct 03, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

There is a basic difference between those favourable and those unfavourable to a change in salvaging/crafting.

WE (the favourable) are not interested in what THEY (the unfavourable) have and will have. WE are not interested in putting a limitation on whatever item (weapons, FoW armors, titles) THEY can buy or obtain.

THEY instead want to put a limitation to our freedom, to OUR possibility to enjoy the game, THEY want to force US to play the game the way THEY want, that is hoarding for money to buy for insane prices the item with the skin WE like with the stats WE want.

WE don't want to force THEM to play the game in a different way, THEY want to control the market of items and for this part of the game THEY want to force US to play THEIR game.

That's unfair, that's not capitalism (a word that many invoke at defence of their interest) it's lobby, abuse of incumbent position, barrier for the newcomers, all the worst of capitalism, things that in real life are also legally prosecutable.

Just one example: I'm not interested in crystalline crap (a piece of glass with a wooden handle, how is possible to consider it a sword?) but I like the "divine staff" skin.
If you check in gwguru auction, you'll see that there are more or less 10 crystallines on sale, and only 2 divine staffs and also with unusable stats.

So if a req. 9 crystalline costs 10 millions, a req. 9 20/20 divine staff should cost 50 millions because it's 5 times more rare. What are today the possibilities for a player to get a 20/20 or 20/10 divine skin staff? Absolutely zero.

If in the future I will have the possibility to mod a white divine staff and make it usable, I see this as an increase in my freedom, without any negative effect on those who already have perfect crystallines and whatever.

If the group you represent gets all the weapons they want cheap/easy they will not be happy. If only the rich can afford the titles and the FoW armor there will be threads just like this crying about it... even if you have the perfect weapons you are demanding now. Just how far should Anet lower the bar for the casual player?

I believe I have 2 req8 divine 20/10 staffs on a mule ... you are of course welcome to make an offer

P.S. They came from a CHEST as in I went and actually OPENED it to get the items. You could try that for yourself and save a few bucks.

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious

I believe his point is that, due to the nature of the way wands and offhands spawn, it is rare for an item to spawn with it's own req attrib and a reduced time for said req attrib.

What if all the fuss is simply over the fact that we'll now be able to salvage "inheirent mods" from shields, wands, and offhands only? Then we'll see a lot of sheepish people admitting that they should have waited before being so vehement about their stance against it.

Of course I for one would like to see weapon inscriptions as well, but we'll have to wait and see.

we should encourage the chinese farmers to farm in the deep

i picked up my perfect caster items for dirt cheap in droknar. I got my monk a req8 divine 5^50 20% healing wand for only 30k. a req 8 5^50 10% universal recharge rod for 20k and a req8 5^50 10% universal for my mesner for 15k only

! a holy rod with 20% recharge pro and 10% universal casting for 10k. it is not that rare. btw. i also got a bone staff req9 20/20 for 75k only

! if you look around these items are not that rare after all. I have myeelf found a large number of perfect and semi perfect caster itemes from chest running and farming. It is not that rare... the inheirent mods will worth probably more.. the current price is VERY Reasonable... we seriousl ydont need adjustment. the vigor should be cheapper imao. 30k is too much. we got around 70 heroes per account we need to put vigors on. 10k for superior vigors sound more reasonable. BTW I will sell your a zodic wand with req 10 death and 20/20 death magic for 10 million. one of my farming buddy got it and here is a tip for you. the chests in shiverpeak drop alot of caster items. i got so many perfect casater items i couldn't even remember. i gave away most of them to guidies or sell them in droknar for a dirt cheap price. Casters items are sold for peanuts compare to warriors' items. Nobody sinks serious money on caster's item.

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 03, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Tommy

i also got a bone staff req9 20/20 for 75k only

! if you look around these items are not that rare after all....... I will sell your a zodic wand with req 10 death and 20/20 death magic for 10 million. one of my farming buddy have it.

Was it a blue staff? That's a lot to pay for a collectors item

And that 10 death req, while not unreasonable, isn't what he was after. So what I am saying here is that his point is that 20% recharge or cast time of the wand/offhands req are both rare, 20/20 even rarer, and req 8 extremely rare. The combination is something that happens once in a blue moon, whereas you can't hardly obtain such an item right now, in the future if you have a 20/20 inscription drop on a wand, you MAY be able to transfer it to a skin that you like better than the one it dropped with, or one with a lower req, but at this point we're just grasping at straws that aren't there yet.

Abnaxus · Oct 03, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by leprekan

If the group you represent gets all the weapons they want cheap/easy they will not be happy. If only the rich can afford the titles and the FoW armor there will be threads just like this crying about it... even if you have the perfect weapons you are demanding now. Just how far should Anet lower the bar for the casual player?

I believe I have 2 req8 divine 20/10 staffs on a mule ... you are of course welcome to make an offer

P.S. They came from a CHEST as in I went and actually OPENED it to get the items. You could try that for yourself and save a few bucks.

If you have them in your mule, this means that you don't actually use them on your monk, you just keep to (maybe) watch them sometimes.
If you don't use, what are you waiting for to get rid of them?
Since they're useless for you, I offer 10k to free one slot in your mule

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious

Was it a blue staff? That's a lot to pay for a collectors item

And that 10 death req, while not unreasonable, isn't what he was after. So what I am saying here is that his point is that 20% recharge or cast time of the wand/offhands req are both rare, 20/20 even rarer, and req 8 extremely rare. The combination is something that happens once in a blue moon, whereas you can't hardly obtain such an item right now, in the future if you have a 20/20 inscription drop on a wand, you MAY be able to transfer it to a skin that you like better than the one it dropped with, or one with a lower req, but at this point we're just grasping at straws that aren't there yet.

It is gold

! I sold it the next day in LA for 240k ^_^! what i am saying is that if you take your time and look around. perfect items are really everywhere, alot of ppl dont sell items. they keep their godly items. I have seen atleast 5+ req8 30/-2 eternal shield. 4 crytalline req9 15^50 in game.
things that seem to be rare aren't that rare. and you certainly see them more than once a while in a blue moon

.

unienaule · Oct 03, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Since when are rich people elitist? As far as I know, elitists are people who won't talk to you because they think they're better than you are, and generally act like jerks to anyone they don't know... and that's certainly not what any of the rich people in here have been doing. I have yet to see "OMG I HAVE MILionS OF ECtoS STFU." So, keep your terms right and don't classify people as things they're not.

leprekan · Oct 03, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

If you have them in your mule, this means that you don't actually use them on your monk, you just keep to (maybe) watch them sometimes.
If you don't use, what are you waiting for to get rid of them?
Since they're useless for you, I offer 10k to free one slot in your mule

LOL,

No, I don't log on to my different mules to "watch" my items =p Because I don't spend a lot of time selling anymore things tend to pile up. Perhaps if we had met under different circumstances the 10k bid would have been taken. Bit of advice ... you want staffs? Make a warrior and run the chests for the max title you will have 70% of your worthwhile chest drops turn out to be staffs. Chest running can be done while returning business calls (uh huh Mr.Smith of course .... SWEET!!!! oops sorry Mr.Smith your server is down?) the chests however will require effort and gold.

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Since when are rich people elitist? As far as I know, elitists are people who won't talk to you because they think they're better than you are, and generally act like jerks to anyone they don't know... and that's certainly not what any of the rich people in here have been doing. I have yet to see "OMG I HAVE MILionS OF ECtoS STFU." So, keep your terms right and don't classify people as things they're not.

Elitism is the belief or attitude that the people who are considered to be the elite — a selected group of persons with outstanding personal abilities, wealth, specialised training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are the people whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously, or that these are persons whose views should be regarded as carrying the most weight, or, more simply, these people are best fit to govern. Alternatively, the term elitism could be used to describe a situation in which power is in fact concentrated in the hands of an elite, whether rightly or not.
Elitism has highly negative connotations and is often used pejoratively to describe a general mindset of arrogance or disregard for the general non-elite public (Meritocracy, a special kind of elitism, does not carry this connotation).

For the converse of "elitism" see "anti-elitism", "populism", and the political theory of Pluralism.
def. from wiki

elistists dont have to be jerk... but certain traders in our forum got a bad hobby of not reply ppl or just reply 2 sentences then completely ignore any pms

.. i found that kinda rude imao.BTW, elistists do bossing ppl around sometimes my guildies do that to pug all the time. not cuz we are rude it is cuz we know how to get things done better and faster. It is matter of fact that we know better than you are, so you have to obey us, if you are not listening we kick you and recruit someone who will. That is not jerking i hope:L well, we do talk to them, ask them question and exam them before the kicking.

leprekan · Oct 03, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Tommy

Elitism is the belief or attitude that the people who are considered to be the elite — a selected group of persons with outstanding personal abilities, wealth, specialised training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are the people whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously, or that these are persons whose views should be regarded as carrying the most weight, or, more simply, these people are best fit to govern. Alternatively, the term elitism could be used to describe a situation in which power is in fact concentrated in the hands of an elite, whether rightly or not.

Elitism has highly negative connotations and is often used pejoratively to describe a general mindset of arrogance or disregard for the general non-elite public (Meritocracy, a special kind of elitism, does not carry this connotation).

For the converse of "elitism" see "anti-elitism", "populism", and the political theory of Pluralism.

def. from wiki

elistists dont have to be jerk...

I was about to say WOW Tommy learned English and grammar ... then I noticed it was a cut and paste